Saturday, July 26, 2014

Q1 FY'15 Result Updates - Cera Sanitaryware, Granules India, Dewan Housing And Can Fin Homes

1) Cera Sanitaryware:
Lesser competition, when compared with increasing demand of sanitarywares, enables a company like Cera Sanitaryware, who has been continuously improving their product mix with quality, to grow at a faster pace, when compared to its peers.
The sales growth of 28% in the first quarter itself, assures us, that 30% growth in FY'15, seems to be a cake walk for the company. The biggest challenge, the company faced last year was maintaining the margins, because of higher input cost. But this year, the company looks to address this issue with plenty of innovations and improving operating efficiency. The net profit in the first quarter showed a healthy 22% growth yoy, which is not a bad start.
In my opinion, this is one business, which is expected to grow at fast pace over next 10 years, as India will look to become more & more developed nation. Even at such high valuations, I expect the stock to perform well over next few years.
One can use (hold / buy on dips) strategy on the counter for long term.

Link For FY'14 Annual Report:
http://www.bseindia.com/bseplus/AnnualReport/532443/5324430314.pdf


2) Granules India:
The company declared FY'14 as the year, which proved to be the turnaround year for their company, as they successfully started production at expanded capacity. The utilization went on increasing as the company received client approvals. Hence for the full year FY'14, the company was able to grow at a very healthy pace of about 45% when compared with FY'13. As now, we are already one year after the utilization of expanded capacity,  we cannot expect the same pace of growth in sales. But as the company promised, we can at least expect a healthy growth as far as net profit is concerned, as the company is continuously improving the operational efficiency, which will eventually lead to better margins in future.
Among all these, we had acquisition of Auctus Pharma, which is also expected to grow at a strong pace, and deliever close to 120 Cr of topline for the full year.
With the help of that acqusition, the company was able to show a growth of 36% yoy, as far as sales is concerned. The net profit, as expect grew strongly at 54% yoy (in spite of 2 Cr loss from Auctus). The standalone sales grew by 21%, which was not bad either, considering the second year, after expansion.
In spite of a tremendously rally, in past quarter, the company is still trading cheap, and I think an EPS of 50 is easily achievable in FY'15. So, even considering a modest P/E of 20, we can look at a price of 1000 on the counter, if company is able to address the debt issues well, in long term.
Recommending a hold on the counter.

Result Discussion By Management Link (From Research Bytes):
http://www.datafilehost.com/d/2c7b652c


3) Dewan Housing Finance Ltd:
Good set of numbers posted by the company in times when other bigger housing finance companies have faced challenges to show growth of more than 20%. The company was able to grow at 27% in sales and 22% in net profit, which is very decent. The loan book of the company grew by 22%.
Seems like the company will continue to grow at 20% or so for next 2-3 years, as the demand in tier 2 and tier 3 cities will continue to rise.
The company is now trading around 5000 Cr market cap, which seems perfect as far as the company's valuations are concerned.
One can keep the stock in long term core portfolio. Not sure of its multibagger potential from these levels as it is already trading at 2.5 times its recommended price here:
http://fundamentalstockideas.blogspot.in/2013/06/few-more-multibaggers-for-long-term.html

Management Interview After Q1 Results:
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/results-boardroom/see-dewan-housing-nim-steady-at-28-29-kapil-wadhawan_1136151.html


4) Can Fin Homes:
Sales growth on sequential had been tremendous over past 2 years, and once again, they haven't disappointed. But the difference this time, was that the reward for being so consistent was already given to that company in terms of high jump in stock price in past 6 months. The change however, this time, was that the company suffered in terms of net profit due to deferred tax liability of about 1.91 Cr, which was nil in FY'13. Otherwise, in terms of EBITDA, the performance was very good.
The company grew in sales by a staggering 39%, and a modest 15% or so, in terms of net profit due to above reason.
The company should continue to do well, but they might feel a bit of pressure due to higher expenses, on account of more new branch openings. Valuation wise, not sure, if there is more steam left, because, the recent jump has already put the stock closer to 1000 Cr of market cap. But, in terms of growth, I think there is plenty more to achieve for the company.
Recommending a minor profit booking if required, or else, one can hold it strongly, if ready to stay invested for long term.

Happy Investing!!!!

81 comments:

  1. Granules and Cera still looking very good for long term...may give good returns from current levels as well.....holding granules and cera....cheers :D

    Thanks
    Anshul

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  2. Sir,

    I am a big fan of your blog!!! Please let me know which share are you working on next, or what other stocks are in your radar so that I can also research on the same.

    Thanks
    Ravi

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    1. Hi Ravi,

      Thanks for those kind words but please don't use notations like sir and all.... :)

      Currently, few stocks that I have in my radar are:
      1) Arcotech
      2) Eimco Elecon
      3) Heritage Foods
      4) Ganesha Ecosphere
      5) Premier Explosives
      6) Swiss Glasscoat Equipment

      As always, I would repeat that, these are just the script names that I am studying. By no means, these have to be taken as recommendations.

      Regards.

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  3. Kunal sir you are doing a great work for small investors like us and in return getting lots of prayer's from us. Please keep up this generous work going.

    I will really appreciate your view on Astra Microwave as i am holding it from 60 levels. And it more than doubled in last one month. But i guess there is still lots of steam left in this company. So what should be the strategy in this Counter?

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    1. Many many thanks for your prayers... :)

      Astra Microwave is very good company..
      Hold it for long term...

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  4. Hey Kunal, any comments/advise on the stocks where recent entry of Dolly khanna noted.
    Those stocks are - Avanti Feeds & Mould-Tek Packaging. In the case of Premier Explosives I think she's entered last year. Anyways, how do you all these 3 stocks future growth?

    Thanks,
    Mayur

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    1. I think I did reply on query related to Mold-Tek, on TCPL post here:
      http://fundamentalstockideas.blogspot.com/2014/06/tcpl-packaging-probable-candidate-to.html

      No change in views from there.... Its looking good overall, one of the better bets in the industry for those who missed Manjushree and Plastiblends....

      Avanti Feeds is being discussed in parts on this blog since it was trading around 280 levels, but it never gained my full confidence due to one or the other issues. My concern related to Avanti is not about valuations, but about demand, and the competition from companies in some other south-eastern countries of Asia.
      However, my doubts have always proved wrong, as far as Avanti Feeds is concerned. :)
      Nothing to add here right now..

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  5. Excellent makeover! If possible try adding rec.price and cmp beside each script which will show % trend.

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    1. Thanks, but I think that would be difficult. I have used a simple text widget to display recommended price. Adding CMP everyday would not be feasible.... :(

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  6. Dear kunal Banker,
    You wrote simply stock market history, i am also interest to learn step by step researching like you sir... Sir how do you research like that.....please share me if you don't mind..... And presently i am holding Gravita ind @75, Nrb bearing @67, Advani hotel & restorants @ 85, shall i hold for this stocks for long term sir...

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    1. Hi Giri,

      Lets start with your first question related to my research strategy and its details.

      Here, if I am posting any details related to understanding stock market, it can never be a subjective topic. The points that I have put over here for learning are objective truths related to markets and its history. Learning can never be based on someone's belief and his/her specific understanding.
      Nobody can ever say that what I am suggesting or what any one else's suggesting is correct or not. It is his/her way of looking at markets, and it has formed based of his/her experience and exposure to markets.

      In my case, I would say that, the way of research has changed dramatically over the years, based on my experience and exposure to markets, and I am damn sure that it is going to continue that way. There is no end to learning things, as far as any subject is concerned. Same applies to research in stock markets.

      However you can get a brief idea about how do I put my belief in particular stock, if you ready my detailed post on specific companies. But yes, remember, that, at the end of the day, they are just my views, and not a universal facts about markets/companies.... :)

      As time passes, you will definitely learn discover your own way of doing research, if you are genuinely interested in stock markets. Learning is difficult if you are here, just to earn money.

      Hope that helps!!!!!

      Regarding the stocks that you have mentioned, I feel Gravita India is a good company and has good potential. About NRB, I have some doubts over the management, otherwise company is good.
      I have never been deep into hotel stocks, so can't comment anything on Advani Hotels.

      Regards.

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    2. Thanku very much kunal sir...

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  7. Kunal , why noy RS software??
    Do you have any doubt regarding its growth prospects or future competition with buggies will start soon??
    I have no doubt about potential of the industry.
    How RS is placed in the IT world?
    Low equity, no debt, raising india e-payment youth, net banking........ Can it become a giant IT in future?

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    1. RS Software can be held on for long term, as it is in one of the best possible growth segment of IT industry...
      As such, not a big fan of IT industry....

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  8. Sir, Your View on Lakshmi Machine Tools(LMW) as a Long term Prospect?

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    1. Very good company, but it is already having close to 5000 Cr of market cap. Difficult to predict it as a multibagger candidate. But one can definitely hold it for long term if he/she has already bought earlier...

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  9. thank u a lot sir , I feel unfortunate to come in to ur touch stone blog late . however , i liked ur analysis . could u please make a comment on praj ind and tilaknagar ind if u have time please ? thanks once again . ranjit adani

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    1. Hi Ranjit,

      Thank for the appreciation..
      Tilaknagar is good and can be held on for long term. Comparing it with industry peers, it is one of the better bets...
      Not tracking Praj..

      Regards.

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  10. Hi Kunal came across shand pipes in same sector of texmo pipes........in what way texmo pipes differ from shand pipes?

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    1. I am not able to find the company. Please give its BSE code. Will take a look.

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  11. Hi sir, Can Granuels india be bought at this levels as it's going through correction. is it a good opportunity to get in or any other stock looks more attractive to you at this level's?

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    1. No comments about you entering other companies, but Granules looks good, if you are looking at long term investment...
      The reasons for stock going down, may be that company didn't live up to the expectations of many, as far as results were concerned, especially, when stock was given more than 100% jump since Q4 FY'14 numbers.
      Also, due to such rise, and then consolidation, the stock might have got technically weaker, which also might contribute to its minor downtrend.

      But if you ask me, as far as long term investment is concerned, I would say, it was cheaper at 300 in Apr '14, and it is still cheaper around 600 today. If you are least bothered about short term movements, you can definitely make an entry. It still has lots of upside potential in future.

      Thats my personal opinion. I am not drawing any comparison with other companies, but I have just presented my views on Granules here. Don't misunderstand this.

      Regards.

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  12. Share your views on dhanuka agritech results today....usually uptrend is in the results is expected in next quarter......but the current quarter results have not shown much growth...but growth is there....

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  13. sir , i am fan of your analysis . but very much worried about spice jet holding at rs 20 . should i book loss or is there a chance of revival? will take decision only after your advice .thanks please reply chinmoy

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    1. I am sorry, but I have never been into Airlines stocks..
      I have got no idea about the sector...

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  14. Dhanuka posted below average numbers, but that was more because of way below average rainfall, especially in the month of June.
    As monsoon seems to have picked up in most parts of the country, it looks like, company should be able to post better numbers in Q2, and that is mentioned in their press release also.

    Being a long term investor, I hardly would worry about one poor quarter, and that too because of a natural phenomenon, however, having said that, as always, I would repeat that, those holding from recommended price here, can certainly look to book some profit, if need be.

    Will come out with detailed post on results later.

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    1. Dynemic products result is also not upto the mark.....bad quarter for all stocks i guess :(

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    2. That's personal opinion... I don't think Dhanuka is to be blamed for their poor numbers.. I mentioned that their numbers were below average due to so and so reason...
      Don't think we can call it a bad result....
      Similarly for Dynemic, I will be posting my opinion..

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  15. Your view on Dynemic Products results? Almost flat profits but hitting LC today.

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    1. There are lots of positives in the result, though it might have looked good to most traders.

      Sales grew by 16% yoy, where as, it grew about 12% yoy, in Jun'13 numbers, so thats a good progress. Sales have increased in both, domestic as well as export front, which is also good.
      EPS for the quarter stood at 1.94, which is very decent considering the valuation of the company right now..
      Even if they are able to post a modest eps of 9 again this year, it would still mean, that stock is trading at a P/E multiple of only 5, right now...
      I think the stock is cheap, no matter what the short term price behavior is.
      I would recommend a hold for long term on the counter...

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    2. Let us wait to hear about their expansion plans at new site at Dahej !!! That will be a trigger for Dynemic Products !!!! Now counter may be busy for weeding out weak hands !!!

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    3. I would say, every dip is a buying opportunity for those who missed it around 28 levels...

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  16. Dear Kunal, shand pipes is a non listed company with cpvc pipes manufacturing facility .......but Any idea in what way texmo pipes has an advantage.....}

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    1. For that, I will have to go deep into Texmo Pipes first..
      Will do it when I find time...

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  17. Corn, raw-material for the sorbitol project has been procured at lower prices by Sukhjit Starch as per their concall of 30th July 2014. This augurs well for Gulshan Poly also as 50% of the turnover of the Company comes from Sorbitol. If raw-material prices are benign it speaks good for the profitability. However, first quarter results are due on 2nd August and let us wait for the same.

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    1. Top-line growth also will be crucial this year, as company has received many approvals, and that should add to sales. The profitability is already good with EPS around 30, and expecting it to be around 40 for FY'15, but important thing would be if the company is able to show around 25% growth in top line for the full year, that would be icing on the cake, as far as stock price is concerned.

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  18. Hi Kunal,

    Ramesh Damani ace stock picker has picked up more than 5 lac shares in the range of 150 !!!! I see a very bright future for the company !!!! If at all targets are to be given it should start trading around 300+ by March 2015 !!!!

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  19. SSWL Achieves 11 Lac Wheel Sales : Highest Ever
    Link: http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/Steel_Strips_Wheels_Ltd_010814.pdf

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  20. Better than expected numbers posted by TCPL Packaging, with sales growing almost 32.5% and net profit growing 169% yoy.
    Lot many positives in the press release as well.
    Will come out with result details later...
    Recommending a hold for long term on the counter..

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  21. Hi Kunal have some amount to invest for multibagger returns and can you suggest me which of these are best....moldtekpackaging, gulshan poly, dynemic products.......also gulshan poly has also moved into breweries hence can you let me know % contribution towards it so that as a Muslim avoiding such alcoholics can shed off profits earned from returns though I like company as such with other valuable products and good returns expected.

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    1. That's a tough question... I can only help you with the analysis..
      Decision to go with a particular stock is always one's own call....
      All 3 names you have suggested has a capability of giving great returns in long term, and all of them have been discussed over here before..
      The IMFL plant of Gulshan, in MP, you are talking about, has just commenced production after a long wait, so will have to wait for numbers before giving you any % contribution ...

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    2. As per my information IMFL business will be on a low-key initially and will not contribute significantly to the top-line. However, it should cross a top-line of 100 crores either this or next quarter !!!! Beauty of the Company is that it's sales uptil now have more or less been evenly distributed among four quarters !!!!!

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  22. sir what is your take on speciality restaurant and talwalkar better value ? please take pain to reply regards ranjit adani

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    1. Margins for Speciality would remain a big concern, until the food inflation comes down...
      Right now, with prices of some of the basic food items going so high, it's difficult for them to maintain healthy profits...
      If inflation comes down to a safe level, then you can expect some good returns from the company. Difficult to judge it right now...

      Not tracking Talwalkars. Tracking Cravatex in the same sector...

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  23. Thanks Kunal........plz keep me updated......will gulshan be back to old 2008 year price of 700+ if not 4 digits?

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    1. I am new to stock market, please tell the reason of fall of price of this share at that time....

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    2. The fall was because of the great depression of 2008. If you see the prices, it was 619 in Feb, and it also touched a figure below 100, in that same year....
      After that, the prices was hovering in that region...
      Many small caps failed to recover from the lows of 2008, due to one or the other reason...
      Infact the whole small cap index, itself is trading lower than the levels of 2008, nowadays...

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  24. Gulshan Polyols -Results for June 2014 are flat !!!! Top-line has failed to move up !!!! Only silver-lining is increased provision for depreciation by about Rs.2.00 crores !!!! It seems new initiatives like expansion of Sorbitol project, IMFL venture and starting of new production capacity for MDP and DMH have not contributed to the topline at all !!!! Stock may witness selling/profit-taking from short-term investors/traders which will be very good for investors who see a bright future in the company !!!!

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    1. Hi Kunal,

      Please see the link below. I am very happy to note that Management has accepted my suggestion of releasing a press release alongwith quarterly results. Press Note is self-explanatory and speaks a lot about the growth prospects. A clear hold and buy at dips !!]

      http://www.moneycontrol.com/livefeed_pdf/Aug2014/Gulshan_Polyols_Ltd1_040814_Rst.pdf

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    2. That's excellent to see.. I think the management, itself had some doubts regarding investors approach, about the five major announcement by them in last quarter, and then the sales coming in flat for the first quarter itself after that...
      It's good, that management, clarified on how, the major approvals will come into play in the second half of this fiscal, as far as topline is concerned...

      One can definitely use the dips to buy here..

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  26. Hi kunal.....before investing in dynemic products I would like to know following .......1st by when I can buy shares to gain dividend of1.5 rupees ......2nd....as considered by management and later dropped will the share be split which will result in operators play due to single digit share price...3rd...will it be like camline fine science..is it the right price to buy now or go for SIP as I plan to buy approx. 40K nos....for multibagger returns...or should I wait for your new pick release as this stock has already appreciated 50%.....indly advice.

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    1. The management has not yet declared the record date for dividend, so you are eligible for it, until, it gets announced later..
      Can't answer the other 2 questions, because that's not in my hands..
      But yes, I general, if you are a safe player, it is always advisable to go for buying in SIP mode..

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  27. There is a rules by semi on stock recommendations by entities......I hope you are registered to avoid uninterrupted presentations for investors like us.....god bless

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    1. I think the norms are for firms/individuals, that are charging some fee from investors for their analyses.... Not sure on it though.. Will try to figure out..

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  29. Hi Kunal, does it make sense to Buy Bajaj Electricals at cmp 275 for long term? Would like to know your current views after its Q1 results i.e. below expectation? Can it be bounce back in future?
    Else I have other option of buying Gulshan Polyols at cmp 175. I'm not comparing business here but would like to know which one you find more undervalued and can turn as multibagger in less time.
    I can buy only one.
    -Amit

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    1. Not only business, but I don't think there is any way, we can compare these 2 stocks, as Bajaj Elect is trading at a market cap, which is almost 20 times to that of Gulshan Polyols..

      Bajaj Elect is a very well known player in markets, hence, the company's performance ahead, will drive its valuation in future, where as, Gulshan Polyols, is yet to catch an eye of big investors, which could unlock its true value going ahead, because, as per current data.

      Bajaj Elect is a good company, and it could be a part of core portfolio for steady returns. Gulshan, however, can give you multibagger returns from here on, in long term..

      Decision has to be yours, I can only present my views.

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  30. Result Update:

    1) Camlin Fine Science:
    One more, very decent set of numbers from the company, with sales growing almost 14% yoy, and profit growing almost 50%. The run-up in the stock in past 6 months, had been fabulous, and in the short term, I don't think, another similar jump can be expected. But one can still continue to hold at least few quantities, if not all. The future looks good.

    2) Ajanta Pharma:
    One again, we have an excellent set of numbers declared by the company. The sales grew 32% yoy, and net profit grew almost 80%. It seems, we can expect the growth to continue, and hence the stock to outperform going ahead as well...
    Excellent stock to have in ones portfolio. No comments on short term movements.
    But it seems they will achieve an EPS of close to 80-90 for the full year, which can take the stock closer to 2000 by year end, on fair value basis...

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  31. Hi Kunal how is gujarat borosilicate @ 25/- for long term

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    1. Not tracking it deeply, but seems a good long term story...

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  32. Dynemic products being in dyes and chemicals area normally do not get very high PE and also is a commodities business so what's your call?

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    1. I think I have mentioned all the reasons, in the separate post on Dynemic Products. Nothing more to add.
      Once again, I would repeat, that unless, you are fully sure of the company, please don't invest your hard earned money in it.

      Regards.

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  33. TCPL Packaging has appreciated more than 100% since its recommendation here:
    http://fundamentalstockideas.blogspot.in/2014/06/tcpl-packaging-probable-candidate-to.html

    The jump came in less than 2 months, hence there is always a chance of minor consolidation. One can form his/her own strategy and make his decision. But long term players can continue to hold it for long term. However, minor profit booking is never a bad idea.

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  34. I have entered supreme petro @65 and forbes gokak@550 with a long term perspective .I saw the stocks zoom 50% from buy price and did not book out .. Now they are up 20% from my buy price .. What's your take on these stocks fro 2-3 years ..couldn't invest in more good companies at low prices .. So will my patience pay off in this companies

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    1. Supreme is decent stock for long term. You can also take a look at Panama Petro in same industry...
      Not tracking Forbes...

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  35. sir can u comment on capital first?what is its future growth prospect?

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    1. Not tracking it deeply, but looks like a good stock for investment..
      I like Capri Global from the same industry....
      Can have a look at it..

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  36. Hi Kunal,

    Have a look at Flex Foods !!!

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    1. Looks pretty good on first view... will have to dig in further...
      Moving it into my radar.. :)

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    2. My Disc : Bought moderate quantity today in the opening trade @ 54 !!! :)

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  37. Dear Kunal,
    Have you checked out the interview of Bajaj Electricals on he future of Led lighting. CFL may cease to exist in 4 to 5 years.
    http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/results-boardroom/bajaj-electricals-uncertaincfls-survival-as-led-leads_1142311.html

    I think this is extremely positive news for Photoquip as Corvi is really picking up its social media activities on Facebook and Twitter.
    What are your views?

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    1. Yes, it is a big positive news for the company.
      Also, I am tracking the CORVI updates on facebook on daily basis....
      Excited to see the numbers this year...
      Might turn out to be the turnaround year for the company...

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  38. Hi Kunal, Ganesha Eco sphere showing some me development, whats your take on this news below:

    http://www.coca-colacompany.com/coca-cola-unbottled/who-knew-bottles-could-feel-so-soft-coke-partnership-establishes-indias-first-bottles-to-fiber-recycling-operation

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  39. hi,

    your views on following

    a) HITECH PLAST (ASIAN PAINT promoter)

    b)GANESH ECOGREEN ( Recycle of Plastic bottles)

    c)MODISON METAL( only sort of silver conductor providing for power companies even china are giving business for quality)

    d)CONTROL PRINT (niche segment for retail industry)

    thanking you

    Regards
    Ram (hyderabad)

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    1. Like Ganesh Ecogreen..
      Unfortunately, not tracking rest...

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  40. Your view on heavy pledging in ganesh eco..... Ya future looks good.

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    1. As I said, in case of Granules India also, as long as the company keeps on growing very well, the business has good scalability over years, I won't mind higher debts, heavy pledging that much...
      Once the company grows, they will address these issues sooner or later...
      But again, it depends on one's belief, and it can go wrong.
      For now, I am positive on it...

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  41. Hi Kunal how is Waterbase for long term.....

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    1. I think I did mention about it earlier also. Continue to hold it for long term...

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